We need to learn that we all share common goals, have fun and make the DB the best online gaming community out. It is sad that we can not treat each other with respect and show each other proper sportsmanship, I may not have agreed with Halcyon in the past but I respected him cause he earned his positions through activity, hard work and contributions that helped the DB grow and point it in a direction where we would attract more gamers.

Halc, sorry to see you step down.

Hate to say it Sarin, but ever since I joined this club there's always been those few idiots who try to make themselves feel better about their pathetic lives by attacking and ridiculing others. It's unfortunate, but when you live in a club that rather caters to people who have little to no social skills, it's also inevitable. The bright side is though, that most of these douchebags expose themselves eventually, and can be ostracized accordingly.

This is why people need to remember that this club is for fun, and not a replacement for real life interactions and friendships.

I don't need to rant about this subject. It's sad and pathetic...

Halcyon is good people.
Any one who picks on good people are bad.
simple enough.

Sad to see you go Halc

Good luck with whatever you do next Halc, although I think taking what people say on IRC this seriously isn't right, but just my opinion :)

I am absolutely disgusted by what has gone on here the past few days. Those people who think this situation is funny or get any sort of enjoyment out of it need to think long and hard about what being a decent human being entails - because you obviously have no damned clue.

This club was created for it's members to have a safe place in which to spend their free time having fun. This sort of crap demonstrates that a growing number of our members can only have fun at others expense, which is truly pathetic.

Congratulations to those of you who have driven out one of the greatest members in the Brotherhood, an outstanding leader who sacrificed his time to make this club better, and a good friend. You all know who you are, and even while you laugh at my reply you should take at least one moment think about how karma will come and bite you on the ass - and when it does, I hope there are people laughing at your misfortune.

Philosophical, moral, and religious remarks aside, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I'm sure you all loved Bill Clinton even more after he admitted screwing around with an intern, right? Oh, that's right, that was imoral...

:(

alright, what the hell happened this time ? Anyone care to explain it for the rest of us plz

Firstly, Karel I don't get the issue of Halc doing anything moraly wrong is this a puritan website or something?
What happened was in private. A large percentage of the adult DB are in relationships and I hate to shock you but I imagine many go beyond just holding hands. If someone video tapes it and posts it on here is that their fault?

Secondly Blade, I'd say I was right about a trial being unessesary. As Kir pointed out trials are rare most cases are handled just by him and the HoJs, surely the point of a trial is to establish guilt or innocence and in this case that's not in doubt.

One point I believe everyone is missing is that Halcyon is the one responsible for the contents of what was posted. It isn't as if someone forged a log, or posted their own personal opinions or insults in a public forum. They simply provided what he typed. Nothing more, nothing less. The manner in which it was provided (on the DB website) may have stepped over some lines, but the actual contents of what was posted was not written by the individual who posted it.

While it may be embarassing to Halcyon, I don't believe resigning as DGM over it is something he should have done. It really isn't that big of a deal, to be honest. Everyone does what he did on the Internet at one point or another.

And of course people are going to laugh about the whole thing. That isn't cruel, it's simply a natural reaction to something like that. You cannot hold the membership of the Brotherhood at fault for Halcyon resigning. It was his own personal choice. Noone forced him in to it. =P

Anyways, cya Halc and good luck in the future. :P

It's too early for me to moan.

Good Luck Halc! Best for the future!

These actions sadden me. And hurting other people for your own personal revenge by dragging their private things into publicity is so low. Its not cunning, its not intelligent, its plain cheap.

A pathetic and lame way to excuse these actions by saying: "But he typed it." - some people simply don't know where to stop. If things do concern real life things (emotions and relationship), it is definietely the sign to stop at that point. Obviously some people have no idea about the concept of "morale" and "dignity of man". Halc is responsible for the content, but who actually did post it into publicity just for personal revenge?

You managed to inflict strong conflicts, members to resign, insecurity within the other members ("What kind of place did I join here?"), up to very hurt people that have lost faith in the DJB and trust in other people - just for personal revenge.
Congratulations.

"Halc is responsible for the content, but who actually did post it into publicity just for personal revenge?"

I think a better question is "Which one of the two parties involved in the content was dumb enough to hand that stuff out to people?"

would you accept the simple answer noone of them did?

Something that ought to have been private has been used deliberatley and maliciously to cause upset, humiliation and distress in another member, regardless of whether that member is the DGM or a QUA or a BTL that is utterly unacceptable.
Saying that its not the fault of the person who posted it because they didn't originate would be like saying its not someones fault if they post pornography or racist text because they didn't produce/write it.

This appears to have been done without remorse or any sense of what is appropriate or morally right. If ever there's been an open and shut case case for expulsion in the Brotherhood I'd say it's this. As the person is clearly guilty as hell I'd say there's no requirement for the formality of a trial I'd just kick the

Something that ought to have been private has been used deliberatley and maliciously to cause upset, humiliation and distress in another member, regardless of whether that member is the DGM or a QUA or a BTL that is utterly unacceptable.
Saying that its not the fault of the person who posted it because they didn't originate would be like saying its not someones fault if they post pornography or racist text because they didn't produce/write it.

This appears to have been done without remorse or any sense of what is appropriate or morally right. If ever there's been an open and shut case case for expulsion in the Brotherhood I'd say it's this. As the person is clearly guilty as hell I'd say there's no requirement for the formality of a trial I'd just kick the

This evil deed really is cruel. The thing I don't understand is how the hell did he get the log? And if Halc gave it to him, or anyone else Halc could give to, so it's Halc fault to give it to people. There is no way a PM in IRC could be seen by people. That means that someone from the log, copied the log and sent it to someone.

I admit it was funny at first but now it's just not right. And it's not right to resign after this. This really embarrassing I must say.

Sorry Halc.

Yes, it was posted deliberately. As to why it was posted, you can't say for certain. Something you should understand, however, is that there is an ongoing conflict between these individuals. It isn't as if the log was posted out of the blue for no particular reason. This action did not create conflicts that did not exist beforehand.

One of the two individuals who participated in this log released it to the open. Unless you can provide absolute proof that it was not Halcyon, or that it was indeed the other individual, Halcyon is at fault just as much as anyone else. If he sent that log out to another person, he invited this. He publicized it. The only thing Oberst did wrong was host the log on the Dark Brotherhood website. As you very well know, Clan Channels are unofficial, and not subject to the Brotherhoods rules. You can humiliate another DB member in your personal clan channel if you wish (depending on the Clans rules in that channel). So, Oberst posting the log in the #Tarentum topic was not a crime. Him posting the log period, isn't a crime. The only thing he did wrong was host in on the Dark Brotherhood website, an Official area. Well, officially, it's the only thing he did wrong. Morally it is up to interpretation.

As for the "open and shut case" and "there's no requirement for the formality of a trial I'd just kick the

" comments...well...there's a reason you're not on the Chamber of Justice. You are entitled to your own opinion, of course, but we have a Judicial system in place for a reason...I guess. :P

Personally I think everyone is overreacting. I also feel a lot of people are being hypocrites.

Nobody even mentioned the fact that this log is proof of what a fine moral example our DGM was. Of course most people overlook that because they probably do the same thing regularly :P Hey, it's cool until you get caught, right? Wrong.

Oberst did not receive these logs from either of us. Someone gave them to him and he purposefully posted them. I don't know who it was or how this person received them in the first place. We each have logs that could probably true hurt and demean others. We don't go around posting them in public. It's just common decency. I could not continue to spend a large part of my time doing work for a group of people who give nothing back to this club and instead only take from it. Many of those people have posted here.

Thank you to those for the kind words. It was fun while it lasted. And to those who sit around on IRC finding ways to insult and demean others, I would suggest you have a good hard look at yourselves first

Firstly, Karel I don't get the issue of Halc doing anything moraly wrong is this a puritan website or something?
What happened was in private. A large percentage of the adult DB are in relationships and I hate to shock you but I imagine many go beyond just holding hands. If someone video tapes it and posts it on here is that their fault?

Secondly Blade, I'd say I was right about a trial being unessesary. As Kir pointed out trials are rare most cases are handled just by him and the HoJs, surely the point of a trial is to establish guilt or innocence and in this case that's not in doubt.