pwnage for us. At the bottom thought it says it affects all members of the Obelisk Order... is that just Obelisk from Dinaari or from the whole DB?

I would assume that any Obelisk could use this Rite. However the key seems to be that only those Obelisk within House Dinaari know the Rite and how to perform it.

Yes, only the obelisk within Dinaari have been taught this rite and how to invoke it. Should several other nondinaarian obelisk be present when this rite is initiated it still wont affect them as they will not know the words that brings the rite into being as they must be spoken at the same time as the others speak them to recieve the benefit.

So what if someone with the knowledge leave Dinaari? I don't think it could/should spread like that...

Uh... that sounds more like a Krath ritual. Arent the Krath the ones who are feared due to their nack to work together?

-- Saitou

Yes, well, now its an obelisk ritual designed to make them more fierce and harder to take down in combat. Besides, you guys really need to get away from the sterotypes placed on the orders, weapons and armor arent just for Obelisk anymore just as rituals arent just for Krath anymore. As for someone leaving with the information and going to another house and teaching it, as with all things given to a single house it is forbidden for others to practice it or claim it as their own. I'm sure Yacks would have a grand time deciding their fate should they tempt him.

We're all Jedi....I don't really see why only Krath should be allowed to perform rituals or rites? As far as someone leaving Dinaari, there are several options, as far as actually roleplaying: a) In my mind, actual Dark Jedi wouldn't just skip around in houses. No one likes a traitor, not even evil people. If I was actually a Dark Jedi and someone came to my House, I'd get what I could from him, and then kill him. I don't screw around. If I was a Dark Jedi in a house, I'd know I'd have an entire house of 20-30 Jedi hounding me if I left, along with all of the troops, ships, and other things that go along with an entire House -- that alone would make me stay. b) Dinaari would hope that any member once a member of Dinaari would be honorable enough to retain their knowledge. c) Seeing as we're Dark Jedi and honor isn't necessarily highly valued by all, I'm sure Dinaarians would rather mind-wipe or slit someone's throat before they let their rite fall into someone else's hands. All this failing, Dinaari could also dictate that only those members of Dinaari who are trusted could learn the rite, thereby excluding those who can't be trusted.

I'd be interested in how that would be prosecutable since I do poach people from other companies and use their knowledge of how their former employers operate to tailor business models.

I'm curious as to if its a Dinaari thing only why is it in it's entierty on the db news page?
Its like on a scroll & an obbie picks it up off the ground did he/she steal it from Dinaari or did they lose it?
wouldnt a post more along the ored of "Dinaari has completeed the rite of whatever" instead of placing it out in the open for all to see?

just saying if its Dinaari only it shouldve been posted in it complete form on Dinaari's web site not the db site.

I'd just like to mention, this is a lot like, "Prepare to become one with the Borg," or however the fook Star Trek does it. Except, it Dinaari, it'd be, "Bend over, and prepare to become one with the Shadwhores." :P It's actually a pretty cool ritual, really. Rock on Dinaari.

I'm going to be the arrogant one here...

People don't just "leave" Dinaari. If you look at our transfers from the past year, you'll see that less than a handful left because of dissatisfaction with the house. People leave Dinaari because they get selected for important positions. In fact, when I was QUA around the time of the split, we were the ONLY house in the entire DB not to lose a member.

I don't think we'll have to worry about other people "stealing" our rite :P

What happens if a Dinaari Sith happens to be present for the ritual?

The reason it's on the main page is because it's a reward for the Obelisk Supremacy Wars I ran while I was Obelisk High Commander. Shaithis is just following up by awarding the winners of that competition.

Why shouldn't it be on the domain? If anyone ever wants to write Dinaari into their stories, it could be used, for example. It's also cool to see who got what, and maybe it will make people to try harder to get something similar cool :o)

Right... lot of questions, comments, answers... so I'm too late really to need to say this, but I'll give what I'd consider my kind of professional answer to the situation.

I think the simplest way to look at the ritual is that it is effectively a new Clan Power for Clan Taldryan, specific to members of the Obelisk Order.

Thats the easiest way. The idea with the whole Clan Force Powers system is that Clans can "win" new Force Powers, so be it a Force Power, a Rite, a Ritual... its all the same kind of idea at the end of the day. Or at least, falls into the same category of awards.

Now, people leaving Dinaari? Same as with Clan Powers I guess. That person can theoretically still use it, but since nobody else in Dinaari is going to be with them, not gonna do a lot of good. Alternatively we have the "Remove Force Imprint" power, specific to the Grand Master, yes, but Consuls have a lesser version for Clan Powers, meaning a Consul could wipe the person's memory of the Ritual, so they forgot the words, and therefore could not recall how to perform it upon leaving Taldryan.

Same result however you look at it. Just a different fictional perspective.

As for explaining how certain people can't be 'enhanced' during the ritual, and why only members of Dinaari, and only Obelisk are affected. Well, lets think of it as a two part ritual. You not only have to understand how to perform the ritual at the time, you have to have be 'innitiated' into the sect previously for it to work. That means Krath or Sith in Dinaari won't recieve the affects, nor would non-Dinnarian Obelisk. For if you have to have gone through some kind of innitiation ritual before it ensures it remains strictly within the bounds of Dinaari.

That actually is another answer for when people leave Dinaari, as it could be that only the Consul holds the knowledge to innitiate people, knowledge not given to every Obelisk.

Anyhow, thats enough random talk from me, just thought I'd offer a few ideas to account for the kinds of fictional queries people have.

If you know a force power, you arn't going to forget it upon leaving a clan. That kind of reasoning not only fails to make sense, but also teeters on the brink of stupidity.

You should be allowed to keep your previous powers, regardless of what clan youre in. But obviously a trade off is necessary to keep things balanced.

I would say a prestige tradeoff... you lose prestige in order to keep your old powers. That makes sense, because you would be a) betraying your old clan and b) rejecting the notion that your new clan's powers are better.

I would also think you need a system which awards clan powers over time, rather than all at once... so people don't hop around to different clans just to mix and match the best powers. If they EARN them, I see no problem with them keeping them, when they leave the clan.

That's what I say from the beginning. No one would be so dumb to forget what they've learned, and it would be hard to force people to forget... I still don't really get the whole prestige stuff (yes, it's been explained to me so many times it's not funny anymore) so I can't really comment on Khob's idea. But anything is better than "forgetting," I suppose.

Actually, powers don't get learned "right off the bat," so Clan-hopping to get powers isn't going to get someone shite. Secondly, it's not hard to make someone "forget." It's impossible. However, you can cut someone off from part, or all of the Force; sorry boys and girls, but that's source material there. It's been done before, and is going to be a power for the GMs, with, as Goat said, probably a lesser form awarded to Consuls.

However, this is hardly a MB thread. Care to gripe about this, or discuss it? Tell your Clan Summits, and they can get in touch with myself, or Jac about this.

Its basically a lesser version of what happened to Ulic Qel'Droma, where someone is blocked from using a certain power, or something along those lines. Another explanation might simply be that the Mind Domination powers of the Elders and the Consuls are so strong that they can literally erase thoughts from your head...

...which isn't that hard to imagine. How many times have you seen a Jedi wave his hand and make the person forget their conversation ever happened?

Just think of the flashy thing from Men in Black, but as a Force Power :P

Still, there don't need to "forget" anyway. Its mostly a prestige drop that people would incur. As for something like this, again, not a major issue, as it only works with fellow Dinaarians, so is worthless outside the House. People have to earn powers anyway, you don't get them straight off, and it may take months at a time to earn them. Months of loyal commitment might I add, not something you can really prove to a Clan if you just transferred into it...

You arnt going to make me forget anything. Not even a GM has that kind of power over a Dark Adept... and if a GM claims otherwise, it's because they have a greatly exaggerated notion of what thier powers are.

Grand Masters (like Jac), claim thier powers are limitless, but Star Wars, is a universe in which the unlikely outcome tends to occur the most. To that end, I submit that a Dark Jedi Knight could kill a Grand Master.

If you can't accept that, then you need to explain to me how the ewoks single-handedly beat an entire legion of the Emperor's finest troops. If that can happen, then the above scenario really isn't far-fetched.

The only reason ewoks single-handedly defeated the finest troops the Empire had to offer was because the scriptwriters said that was what was going to happen. :P This is a fake universe, where things happen just because the minds of the creators say so. Yes, it's very possible that a Dark Jedi Knight could kill a Grand Master. Hell, Luke shouldn't have been able to defeat Darth Vader, but it happened.

Anything CAN happen, but the difference is, in this, OUR variance of the Star Wars universe, some things cannot. Pure and simple. It's the way the DB has been, and likely always will be. The GMs are nigh-invinicible; however, even they have their weaknesses. They're just harder to find, and exploit, is all.

But the fact is, I don't believe anyone ever "forgets," unless they have a complete memory wipe, in which case, they're basically someone else. Almost like taking an adult, making them forget everything they are, everything they can do, and having a grown child on your hands. No one wants that, even Darkies. All they're likely to do is cut you off at some, or all of your ability to tap into it--i.e. Ulic Qel-Droma. And yes, there's ways to circumvent even that, but that's another story.

Point is, some things in the DB are going to be different because, a) We're not George Lucas, we don't do things according to him explicitly, b) An organization like ours wouldn't be ALIVE in the Star Wars universe, so we're stretching "truth," and c) Just because it is. Accept it or not, that's the way things are. Don't like it? Draw up a proposal to change it, shoot an email off to Jac with your thoughts, or do what you want in yoru own fiction. No one can stop you. :P

Another example came to mind...

Darth Revan from KOTOR.

Can't have a better example of a memory wipe than that.

If your going to base this club on the Star Wars universe, then the only thing that's actually invincible is a Yuuzhan Vong. I think it's stupid to claim your a nigh-invincible force user and then cower in a corner of the universe hiding from the new republic :P

If the GMs were truly as powerful as they claim, the DB would be more powerful than the empire at its height. A Dark Jedi is never content with a lesser part of the whole. And if you have the balls and the big dick to rule the universe, then you'd do it :P

In reality, GMs are frail and senial old gits, and the DB is just enough piss poor excuse for an imperial splinter faction. lol.