As promised, I have drafted some rules that DB participants in the ICTE should keep in mind while playing. Parts of these rules mirror very closely the current Rites of Combat which you should read here (http://www.darkjedibrotherhood.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=903) - opens new window. Since the ICTE is a competition in its own little world, and not technically a DB competition, I decided to post some rules in response to some disputes over matches in last week's ICTE. Find them here: http://icte.starwarsalliance.com/dbrules.html - opens new window. This is not the final version of the rules. After discussing some "suggestions" cough with Mav, we looked at some more problems with the number of CFs being awarded in ICTEs and are planning on making further revisions. More on this in two or three weeks.
For those of you that don't know yet, I'm going on a LoA effective now until Monday, July 18th. Duga Arkarso ([Log in to view e-mail addresses]) will be taking over the ICTE for the next two weeks. However, since he has a life, it will not be a 26-hour ICTE. Duga will be running the show from sometime around the DB meeting until 12:00am Sunday. So, join #outerrim and find some matches, folks! Remember, just like usual there are CFs and Crescents up for grabs.
As a final reminder, this coming Sunday is the Sunday Tournament. This ICTE is your last chance to qualify! :)
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All matches MUST be made in a forum that is easily accessible to all participating clubs of the ICTE. Currently, #outerrim is the most popular and most widely accessible forum for ICTE participants. Matches which are organized outside of #outerrim are not valid ICTE matches.
Im really curious how this will hold up, as the matches sometimes come about on the Gaming Server, with both members residing in the #outerrim. So I would gather that those matches would be ruled DQ.
The team matches will throw a few off...But by god people read this.....Its deffiently worth it! same with the one korras drew up as well.
And the Bear not have a life....I would have never guessed it, hahaha..welcome to the club Mighty Pyralis
All matches MUST be made in a forum that is easily accessible to all participating clubs of the ICTE. Currently, #outerrim is the most popular and most widely accessible forum for ICTE participants. Matches which are organized outside of #outerrim are not valid ICTE matches.
Im really curious how this will hold up, as the matches sometimes come about on the Gaming Server, with both members residing in the #outerrim. So I would gather that those matches would be ruled DQ.
The team matches will throw a few off...But by god people read this.....Its deffiently worth it! same with the one korras drew up as well.
And the Bear not have a life....I would have never guessed it, hahaha..welcome to the club Mighty Pyralis
That rule is the same as the one in the RoC. You need to be in the channel that the event is being held so that everyone has an equal chance to play you. This is to stop those select people from hiding in their private chans and just playing their friends as it's unfair to the rest of us.
If you're in #outerrim but set up a game in #db or in the server, etc it will still count. Same if you can't get on IRC and just hang out in the server waiting for people.
Matces made in #DB or on teh server had better not count, Pyr spent all this time to write up some rules, he better enforce them. He made it clear that if you dont say "IM playing such and such in JA" in #OUterrim and only there, then the match will not count.
If he is arbitrary and lets this slide, well, then he better start by giving smoke the win for the last ICTE.
Well, I have no problem whatsoever with the "All matches must be organized in #OuterRim" rule. It makes sense.
However, that rule wasn't put in until after the fact. Smoke and co. organized their team matches in #Tarentum (I don't know why, I wasn't there :P) and played. There weren't any rules in that said you couldn't do that. You can't add rules in later down the road and say "They've always been in affect".
The same goes with the "No more than 3 team matches of the same size" rule. That wasn't in either at the time Smoke and the rest of them played their matches. Disqualifying those CF's is a load of crap. If those rules were in place beforehand, then dqing would have been fine, but they weren't.
We should bring Jac in to this, because if I didn't know any better I'd say Pyralis is simply being an ass for the sole reason that he dislikes Tarentum.
That really isn't the biggest problem with the matches you question Cannabisia. By the Rites of Combat, the matches all should have been thrown out. Be happy most counted. With ICTE specific rules in place we can hopefully stop continued problems. It isn't a dislike for Tarentum. Get over it.
"To be able to participate in a competition you must be in the channel that the competition is being hosted from. No hiding in clan or other channels to exclude people from getting matches. If you are not present in the channel but are reporting matches they will be discounted"
Very beginning of the Rules section of the Rites of Combat, which is to enforced DB-wide when there are no specific rules pertaining to a competition. If I'm in #outerrim actively trying to find matches but no ones accepting I can ask anyone in #db or #gmrg, etc. The point of this is to prevent unfair practices by solely playing people you know you can beat/that are your friends.
Why the fuck you guys need to make everything a huge argument is beyond me. Do you actually want to piss other people off by complaining about the rules? Maybe we should make them harsher then. Hell, I'll go back through my logs and every gaming night to make sure you were in the fucking channel. We're NOT trying to limit people in their gaming just attempt to make it fair across the board. And Duga is right, under the rules of the RoC none of those matches should count. BUT, Pyr, being the nice guy he is allowed the majority of them.
These nights are only meant to be fun and take a great deal of effort from the people running them. If you're going to wet yourself over not placing in a weekly event then you got some problems. Suck it up and try again next week.
"In team matches, players may only play with a maximum of 3 matches per day involving the same sized group of people, regardless of the number of times teams are switched."
This is rather dumb. If you do this, then you should limit the overall 1v1 play to 3 as well, no matter with who. If same people playing in same sized teams is a concern, simply say that after 3 games, you need to have at least one different player.
You can play as many team matches as you want still just not the same folks more than 3 times. After 6 folks play 3 matches, no matter the team switches, they need to find some others to join in, some leave, or some leave and some come in,. Just can't have the same 6 people or however many it is playing more than 3.
I do so hope Bloodfyre doesn't mind if I quote him directly:
However, I would like to note one thing about the Rites of
Combat. They were not created to be absolute, nor would I have agreed
to them if they had been created as such. They were created to be a
set of default guidelines that are resorted to if people cannot decide
upon rules on their own.
Subsequently, so long as the affected parties, excluding the bureaucracy, have agreed to terms of a match, I see very little reason or impetus with which to pursue any "punitive actions" - if such a term can be ascribed to an INTERNET CLUB.
It's a Cluster of Fire. It isn't the end of the world. Certainly, if Dark Jedi Master or an Emerald Dagger can be carelessly granted, the CF should be given for drawing breath during gaming nights.
The RoC was created to have a unified set of competition rules for all major DB events. The Gaming Nights fall under such a category. Have you all forgotten the ill-fated GJW and its undefined "soft-cap" rule that didn't come into affect until after the initial results had been totalled? I'm sure many of you do.
As I see it we either stick to one set rule or we just say fuck it and lose these things all together.
Unfortunately, until the Rebirth project is done (august) we can't implement the new systems for MPing. Basically a system that regulates how many points or CFs you receive for playing the same person over and over (eliminates the 3/6 a day rule) And one to balance team gaming as it takes more effort and is harder to come by. The system Pyralis uses in the ICTE for team matches is basically the same one that will be implemented. Until then I'm just running basic Gaming Nights like BF did. Way too much effort to go through each match and sort out what was team and whatnot.
One thing Oberst did get right was the fact that it's just a bloody Cluster of Fire. It's not a huge deal even to a new member who can earn 20 of them in a week. The point in these systems is so that the GAMING is fair for everyone. Why should Mr. Assfuck hide in his clan channel playing his friends and rake in lots of CFs while denying matches to other gamers who can't find him? At once person it's not a huge issue, when an entire House or Clan does it it presents a problem. Especially in things like RoS's and GJW's.
So there you go. All cleared up. Go back to either doing nothing or having fun.
Shadow, I agree with hiding in other channels to score matches...but it also goes to say, that if a match is made on a server it should very well be considered hiding...
the icte rule does state to make the match in #outerrim.
and if that isnt going to adhered to..then toss the whole rules list out.
Ive seen matches on servers take place and people just waiting for them to show up....is that fair?
Does a person need to constantly connect to the server to check to see whos there? Absolutely not.
DB and ICTE need to have the same set of rules. Nothing more and nothing less.
However, the ICTE is not a DB event, it is an interclub thing and we can't exactly enforce our rules on other clubs. That's why Pyralis made a separate rule set for the ICTE because it's really its own little thing.
Anyways. Until Pyralis gets back things can continue. Duga is in charge at the moment and he knows what counts and what doesn't for matches. Hopefully until we can make it utterly clear for everyone you'll all just have fun playing matches...