Ownage happened this weekend, but in a very different way: we were on the receiving end.
Despite having the best single club showing in the event, the DB took third place because we are basically alone on our team going up against groups of two clubs combined forces. Despite our efforts, the team deficit is hard to overcome.
Also contributing to our defeat was the fact that some of the DB players converted to playing for the Imperial faction this week instead of playing for us. That's all well and good and in your purvue, but I would personally rather not see that happen. When you switch back and forth like that, the only thing that's going to happen is that the DB is going to win one week and lose the next week, meaning this competition is going to go on forever. None of us want that. If you want to play for another team, I would rather you just play for them the whole time and we consistently lose than you give us false hope that we can rely on your points. I'm not mad or anything, either -- you're allowed to switch back and forth...but in the interest of not making this competition stupid, I would rather not have your points if we only get them every other week. Otherwise, I fear that the one-club DB members are just going to get fed up and quit playing...I'm already seeing the whispers of that on IRC. So seriously -- if you want to play for the RS, or GE, or VE -- just play for them every week...otherwise this thing is going to be never ending suckage.
So, let's see what we can do this next week, shall we? We've shown that we can consistently kick the butts of a single opponent club -- now can we kick it up a notch and kick the butts of four clubs?
I think we can.
Jac
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Yea geeze guys... I'm tired of carring teh DB with my amazing 10 matches :P
FYI - Only 8 weeks of consecutive winning to go before this thing is over... of course if things keep going as is Jac will be squeezing out babies before this thing is over. Let's just bring on the RoS already :P
Sorry folks, I'll be playing for the GE next time because I'm that cool. :P They bribed me with chocolate. (And I don't go back on my word.) But don't worry, Revvy will play for the DJB for the rest of the ORW and get many points. :)
And I'll be playing for the GE for the entirety of ORW3 because DB has more than enough players as it is. :P
Of course, Jac could always come along and help out the DB! :P
Having more members does not mean having more players. As you can see, there was hardly any DB participation at all. DB needs all the help it can get.
First of all, sorry I've not been playing (or doing much recently) ...RL has been all over my ass...I'll try to be back and gaming in a couple of weeks...
This could have been foreseen. GE members in the DB have been doing this for a while now in ICTE simply because their medals for playing "mean more". I hope you all enjoy pinning your invisible medals on before every ORW.
As for the people not playing because we can't win, this is a stupid attitude. I saw this in the GJW too. So if we don't play we don't lose? Wrong. It just means the other clubs laugh at us just as clans laughed at other clans doing the same over the summer.
Sure it's not our fault. The competition is horribly unbalanced against us, only being able to play opposing clubs is irritating, a surprisingly small amount of DB members actually play games as their main activity, and it has a long term aim that is just annoying rather than a challenging goal. We have better things to do with our time with the build up for RoS/GJW.
We quite frankly don't have the time to have this competition stretch out. Perhaps we should never have took part in the first place and been happy with the weekly ICTE. But we are now committed to this competition and we need to see it through rather than be the little 'diva' club that we all used to make fun of. Even if that means losing with style rather than a hissy-fit.
People won't stop playing because we're losing -- they will stop playing if they see no point in it when the teams change weekly. That's why I want consistency.
So -- I think you hit my point in a round about way, Werdna. Let's get consistent teams and if we lose, we lose. But at least it will all be set and we can play our hearts out like that. I would much rather go down like that than have our participation just die out in a never-ending competition. When people find out that their matches don't matter and the only thing that matters is whose team some people decide to play on in a given week, they will stop playing and the competition will die. That's not cool.
btw: The scheduling of this is all bad -- we are aware...but we committed to the ORW3 almost a year ago and it's been delayed up to this point. I'm glad the organizers got it going -- it's good to see the club interaction. But, if we delayed it again for us this time, then it wouldn't happen until the end of May or June and that would be unfair to the other clubs. So -- we'll push through. If it damages us, then oh well -- there's always next time.
Xayun -- I'm cool with you playing for the GE throughout. I appreciate the consistency.
I will be playing one of these weekends. I just have a few big things to wrap up that will be announced in the next few days.
Jac
Maybe the main cause of the lost of the last ORW battle, was the lack of attention. The echo of this ORW is not as big as the RoS or GJW, and the worse is some considered that this was "less worthy to think". Well, as mentioned above, the ORW has been scheduled in the DB event calendar then it should be having the same attention as the other events and I think, this event is harder because the Sith Faction (which equals to the DB) has to play against joined clubs in the two other factions. I disagree if the DB is lack of players, there are bunch of great, excellent, awesome players and if they are summed up together, the win will be just in front of the eyes. The important thing is how they look at the importance of this war, that will determine on their participation scale.
The option of playing in different weeks to some clubs, was respecting the fun for all, though still there was a rule not to switch allegiance on the same weekend battle. But if we talk about loyalty here, maybe this is the time to show the true loyalty is. Six more weeks to go, to conquer 8 others star systems, and end the war peacefully for the Sith faction. Perhaps the schedule would mix with other event, but still, this war needs appropriate attention from the members and the leaders.
"Having more members does not mean having more players. As you can see, there was hardly any DB participation at all. DB needs all the help it can get." - MERLANCE
I would like to point out that the DB had thirty-one players participating. Imperial players numbered nineteen in total and the Rebel players numbered seventeen in total. The DJB outnumbered either of the other factions... and still didn't outperform either of them.
I'll let you all draw your own conclusions. =)
This isn't an issue of loyalty really. Would I prefer that people play for the DB? Of course, but I'm not hurt if they don't. This isn't a "choose your favorite club" pissing match. I just want teams to be consistent so we know what we are up against.
We can't blame losing on anyone but ourselves. As leaders, we need to do better to motivate and as members we need to do better at paying attention to this event.
The only point I was trying to get across is that it's hard to motivate the troops when you don't know what troops you have. I just want consistent players on our side. I don't care which way people go, just so long as I know who's on my team. :)
This is a test of our will and stamina. Some of these other groups don't have consistent Vendetta-type events like we do. We all know that some more events are coming up for us and we want to be prepared for that. But the question is this: can we do both? Or more distinctly: can we fight each other in a RoS without looking like weaklings in the ORW3?
For those playing for other clubs because DB has "enough people", let me point out that a) DB is literally by itself in this competition. There are 3 factions, yet the Sith faction as the DB as the SV is either no longer active, or just no one is alive for it. b) Members can play within their own faction. Yes, not for as many points, but they may. As such, you can get points for your faction by playing your faction. Guess what...free points without giving them to your "enemies". The DB cannot do this since we have no other club in our faction (and you can't play members of your own club).
So, we can be the "top" club every week, but we may not win because we have active participants playing for one of their other clubs. I guess winning an event as one club against multiple others isn't enough bragging rights? We've won before, and as these last results attest, we're not far behind still.
As if we need MORE motivation, consider that we lost to the EH. You're right, THAT EH. Can we sit idly by and let the Emperor's Hammer walk all over us? We might as well beg to be reabsorbed into the EH if we are going to let that happen.
I'm pretty sure we can interpret this week as losing to the EH's faction allies...not the EH itself.
Their 10 points didn't go too far.
Jac
Neither did their 997 members :P
well, if you want to win the price for the most arrogant club in this tournament you will surely win this.
I'm with the NR5F in this tournaments for seven years, through ORW, ICM, ORW2, CF ..., we have never kept a system so far and you lose one week and suddenly everyone is criing the rules are unfair, while your representants took part on the discussions on the rules months before the ORW3 started. It must be really a shock that the other clubs try to win and don't loose by default while the DJB sees this just as additional gaming night with some exotic players from unimportant other clubs.
I'm not sure if the rules are the reason that not one of the DJB players made it into the individual top ten list of the last week while half of the participiants were playing for the DJB. But you have made the rules for the individual scoring.
And if you again win a week without even half of the gaming effort you put into RoS, GJW or even the special ICTE events against a bunch of illigitim allied clubs that are usually as big as a house in the DJB, maybe the best of them reaching clan size, please remember that you are the EH now or at least playing their role.
Actually, Michael, not a single person has complained that the rules are unfair. If you actually read what people were saying you would find that we are talking about 1) it's stupid for people to go back and forth between teams -- it's not unfair, I could care less if we lose because of it...it's just going to kill the competition off eventually...and 2) we have not put forth the effort that we should have. No one is bitching about the rules or the result...if we lose we lose.
And yeah -- fine -- we're "arrogant." We are the largest club and by all accounts, if we were putting forth our best efforts we should be winning. If pointing that out is arrogance, then well, whatever, we're "arrogant."
We're trying to have an open discussion here about what is going on and why we lost last week. It opened up people's eyes that we are vulnerable. There's no need here, however, for you to come on and attack the entire club. Your comments are just ridiculously outside the scope of this discussion and were uncalled for. Your sarcasm is not appreciated.
As for your comparison of us to the EH, well, if you meant to draw any comparison outside of size of membership, you can just shut the hell up.
Jac
The problem that I originally brought up on IRC wasn't about the MPing rules or the loyalty stuff... it was how the competition was actually designed. I mean... I guess they did the best they could with the year they had... but it's definitely lacking in foresight. The problem we've already encountered with gaining a system then losing it the next week is one of those things. This competition could last forever if the DB continues to win one week then lose the next.
Aside from that, we've been steadily moving away from the whole "report a match via email" thing since my first year here - back in 01. This and the loyalty thing could have been avoided with a simple ORW site where competitors logged in, chose their allegiance and used a simple script (like teh DBs) to report matches. Would have saved a lot of time... especially for the people running the event. With a whole years worth of planning this could have easily been done. If the RS didn't have the site developers the DB surely does.
Of course all of this is a moot point at this time. What's done is done. My point was that we in the DB have more important events (to us) coming up that are bigger than a glorified ICTE that will run for the better part of the rest of 2007. If these other clubs only have the ORW to work on that's fine. I for one am much more interested in a well-run RoS/GJW then a big ICTE :P I'll continue to play ORW when the mood strikes me, but it will mainly be to just get some big CTF games. Not really caring about the fictional sector we get to split with a non-existant SV if we end up winning.
Anyways... back to the personal insults and whatnot.